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niknok_1999 wrote:

recognize pancho villa.. teh first filipino/asian to win a world title in boxing

watch pancho villa knocking out jimmy wilde ...

nice video there! that's what you call knockout back in the days!

I'm so relieved now.  I'm glad this fight is not going to take place.



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The tale of David slaying Goliath is perhaps the most important and enduring story of Christendom. It is the perfect metaphor of the underdog fighting the bully and prevailing despite the latter’s apparent superiority. The Bible’s greatest protagonists are exemplary underdogs. Abraham’s willingness to kill his son despite the tremendous moral anxiety he feels is meant to demonstrate unshakeable faith in God. Even though Abraham experiences intense doubt, he is still prepared to go through with it. Jesus also loses the battle with the Romans but wins the war. He rises from the dead and creates a religion which proves to last longer than anything the Romans did bar the architectural ruins their empire left behind. Real life is littered with its own figures that mimic these religious templates and boxing is no different. Arturo Gatti, Mickey Ward, Julio Caesar Chavez and James J. Braddock may not have been the most skilful practitioners but they still achieved immortality through blood and guts.     

Boxing fans may draw an intellectual line from Pacquiao and de la Hoya to David and Goliath. Surely the faithful ask:  If De La Hoya and Pacquiao share the same characteristics as David and Goliath that justifies this bout to go ahead? This is where scepticism has to usurp any irrational fandom from creating a market. The market, as we all know, is what will drive the opportunity to make what is an insane fight possible. Money is a religion itself. 

Oscar de la Hoya and Manny Pacquiao are the two biggest marquee names in the boxing world. Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and maybe Kelly Pavlik have their own gangs of enthusiastic supporters. De La Hoya and Pacquiao, however, have more than that. They are icons who are worshipped. In his homeland Pacquiao is beyond a superstar. He is more of a saint and those who have been around him say the reverence is like nothing else they have ever seen. Only Muhammad Ali at the zenith of his career possessed that degree of unquestioning loyalty. Christianity is the official religion of the Philippines but the Church of Pacquiao cannot be far behind. 

De La Hoya may be irritating with his inability to retire and pick a final opponent yet he still commands the biggest paydays in boxing. If there was a boxing currency, de la Hoya’s face would be on the notes. Unfortunately, ‘Saint Pacquiao’ and ‘Dollar Sign de la Hoya’ do not licence an exchange between them, which is at the moment mere speculation. Nevertheless, conjecture can quickly shift to fact.

From a strictly business perspective, Pacquiao versus De La Hoya is logical but business sense does not always equal common sense. Of course, putting the best fighter in the world with the former best fighter in the world on posters titillates imaginations and can motor boxing back into the mainstream consciousness. That’s desirable right? Yes. But look closer and think. One fight cannot re-establish boxing on the map. De La Hoya and Pacquiao are huge names but it requires more than two fighters to rebuild a sport. The burden has to be shared by many fighters, bouts, media, television networks and promoters. Certain pundits raised the question if Mayweather and de la Hoya could save boxing. It couldn’t. A blockbuster film cannot save the entire film industry so how can one fight save boxing? The theory is flawed. 

Now we come to the practicalities. There are other extremely good reasons not to make this fight. De La Hoya is thirty five and during the last portion of his career has matured into a fine junior middleweight. He has demonstrated he can get down to welterweight. He can also be a dangerous prospect for inexperienced rookies with his intelligence and sound boxing fundamentals. De La Hoya is a great fighter and I can understand that he wants to retire with a bout that is worth the weight of his storied career but Pacquiao is not part of the solution. 

The Filipino is in his prime and made a magnificent statement by defeating David Diaz. He has shown he is a force to be reckoned in a very deep lightweight division. Pacquiao has too many dates to choose from with Nate Campbell, Joan Guzman, Michael Katsidis. Julio Diaz and Joel Casamayor. 

There could be Ricky Hatton down the road too. Furthermore, Pacquiao started off his career at flyweight and has jumped thirty pounds to the lightweight limit. He has retained his mesmerising power, speed and athleticism. Against Diaz his athleticism and added technical polish were startling. He has never looked better. Yet there has to be a point where Pacquiao cannot keep putting muscle onto his frame without removing his qualities. Asking him to become a legitimate welterweight is praying for a miracle. If he does make the weight and can fight competently, he will still be minuet compared to de la Hoya. There are limitations to all fighters, even Manny Pacquiao. His fans won’t accept it.     

I find it very hard not to have the deepest respect and admiration for de la Hoya. He has wonderful achievements in boxing but that does not allow him to cash in on his laurels as if they are a pension fund or insurance account.  A glorious past cannot sweeten what could be a sordid present. I would rather see de la Hoya wait till early next year to pursue a meaningful contest rather than a theatrical performance. He is better than that. The same is true of Pacquiao. 

Since the summer of 2007, boxing has gained an intelligence and coherence it has not had for many years. It does not need to become stupid again. You may say it is only one fight, what is the harm of one bad fight materialising in boxing when so may other excellent ones are occurring? Why cannot we just enjoy the event and excuse the actual embarrassment of the fight? Sorry, but those who have an interest in the well being of boxing must have the most exacting standards. A lightweight fighting a junior middleweight falls below the bar. Boxing does not need religious fans; it needs fierce thinking and open minded fans. Let us hope this article remains a critical opinion of what might transpire, not a forecast of what actually will happen.

Last edited by bhebhiej (2008-08-15 00:51:59)

yeah pacman and golden boy fight wont happen cause of the sharing of revenue
golden boy's side wants 70-30 while pacman's side wants 65-35

Pacquiao-DL Hoya talks continue



manila bulletin online

All is not lost for a December duel between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao.


Following the breakdown of negotiations on Wednesday, De La Hoya and Pacquiao were still talking about the possibility of meeting halfway to save the welterweight bout scheduled Dec. 6 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"There is still a chance for this fight to take place but we are not budging from our 60-40 stand," said Pacquiao lawyer Franklin Gacal yesterday, meaning the Filipino star is amenable to getting 40 percent of the revenue from what is a sure-fire hit not only in ticket sales but most importantly in pay-per-view sales.

Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) has been insisting that Pacquiao only deserves a 70-30 in this fight that is being advertised as De La Hoya’s swan song but Gacal is adamant that Pacquiao deserves more than that being the heir apparent to the Golden Boy.

"It’s not right to invite Pacquiao to a despedida party by just giving him a bone from the banquet," Gacal said.

"Still, it would all depend on Manny whether he will accept 70-30. It’s all up to him," he added.

Pacquiao’s US adviser Mike Koncz, also said yesterday that there is still hope that something comes up that could save the bout from being totally scrapped.

"Until no contract is signed (anything can happen)," said Koncz from Los Angeles.

De La Hoya, in an interview over ESPN Radio, said the megabuck match can still be salvaged.

"Negotiations are still ongoing. Manny Pacquiao sent out a statement saying he will explore his options and see what comes out of this situation," said De La Hoya, whose people have started negotiations with a few other candidates, including Sergio Mora of The Contender fame.

While De La Hoya is shopping for an opponent, Pacquiao is also doing the same and Humberto Soto of Mexico is high on the list for a November defense of his World Boxing Council lightweight crown.

Meanwhile, trainer Freddie Roach said he is willing to give up his share in Pacquiao’s purse if De La Hoya wins.

"I’ll do that," said Roach, who is upbeat that Pacquiao can stand his ground and inflict De La Hoya a knockout loss.

Roach, who began calling the shots in Pacquiao’s corner since mid-2001, is said to be entitled to a 10 percent (of the gross) cut on Pacquiao’s paycheck.

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i really wish pac-hoya fight will happen

@legend killer:  yeah classic!

Last edited by niknok_1999 (2008-08-16 13:41:18)

ive just read it on the newspaper roach have a suggestion about the revenue a 60-30 and the 10% will go to the winner of pacman vs golden boy fight! and if that will not push threw i think the talk is over between the 2 camp

^ oscar side is way to greedy then better yet the fight will not pudh thru rather than getting to that deal

Last edited by the_legend_killer (2008-08-25 07:26:20)

pacman vs de la hoya is on!! wahehe

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing…id=3555960

my goodnessesesesesesssss... cant  wait till dec..

niknok_1999 wrote:

pacman vs de la hoya is on!! wahehe

Holy s**t.

edwin valero always say he can knock out pac .. why dont his promoter match valero with presscott first to see if he(valero)  really that tough ..

i think presscott can knock out valero in 2 to 3 rounds ..

presscot vs pac ? i dunno whos gonna win.. presscott seems really a tough guy .. solid  or maybe he looks just tough coz ahmir khan is not really that good?

the_legend_killer wrote:

pac is getting greedier

I don't blame him since Oscar is raping him.   I'd get greedy, too.